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 Post subject: profile of wounding in civilian public mass shooting
New postPosted: August 6th, 2016, 3:14 pm 
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RESULTS: A total 139 fatalities consisting of 371 wounds from 12 CPMS events were reviewed. All wounds were due to gunshots. Victims had an average of 2.7 gunshots. Relative to military reports, the case fatality rate was significantly higher, and incidence of potentially survivable injuries was significantly lower. Overall, 58% of victims had gunshots to the head and chest, and only 20% had extremity wounds. The probable site of fatal wounding was the head or chest in 77% of cases. Only 7% of victims had potentially survivable wounds. The most common site of potentially survivable injury was the chest (89%). No head injury was potentially survivable. There were no deaths due to exsanguination from an extremity.

CONCLUSION: The overall and fatal wounding patterns following CPMS are different from those resulting from combat operations. Given that no deaths were due to extremity hemorrhage, a treatment strategy that goes beyond use of tourniquets is needed to rescue the few victims with potentially survivable injuries.


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 Post subject: Re: profile of wounding in civilian public mass shooting
New postPosted: August 6th, 2016, 4:19 pm 
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Yeah, well, you don't present much of a marksmanship challenge when you curl up in a ball and "shelter in place" and wait for your turn to be shot. A stationary target at 12 inches isn't too difficult.

It's much harder to score X-zone hits on a target that is rushing toward you and trying to slam you to the ground and gouge your eyes out.

Also, you are much less likely to survive otherwise non-fatal wounds when the police "establish a perimeter" for several hours before coming to the rescue.

You are on your own! Fight back, preferably with a gun, but without one if necessary. What this study tells us is that "sheltering in place" is voluntary victimhood.

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 Post subject: Re: profile of wounding in civilian public mass shooting
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It sure doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that mortality rates go down and survivable wound patterns go up, both items significantly, when someone is shooting back.

I wonder what conclusion they drew or inferred?

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 Post subject: Re: profile of wounding in civilian public mass shooting
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 Post subject: Re: profile of wounding in civilian public mass shooting
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hairygreek wrote:
http://www.interagencyboard.org/system/files/resources/The%20profile%20of%20wounding%20in%20civilian%20public%20mass%20shooting%20fatalities.pdf

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Conclusion: The overall and fatal wounding patterns following CPMS are different than those
resulting from combat operations. Given that no deaths were due to extremity hemorrhage, a
treatment strategy that goes beyond use of tourniquets is needed to rescue the few victims with
potentially survivable injuries

Well, that's one possible conclusion - a different strategy for treating injuries is needed.
Here's another possible conclusion - a different strategy for preventing injuries is needed. Like maybe, you know, fight back so that there are fewer non-survivable injuries. Just a wild and crazy idea.

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 Post subject: Re: profile of wounding in civilian public mass shooting
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From the article:

.......For example, the Hartford Consensus Joint Committee to Create a
National Policy to Enhance Survival in Mass Casualty Shooting Events views hemorrhage
control as “second only to engaging and defeating the shooter and as key to improving the
survival of victims of active shooter incidents”, describing external hemorrhage control as “the
critical step” in eliminating preventable pre-hospital death......

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 Post subject: Re: profile of wounding in civilian public mass shooting
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Keep in mind they were only looking at people who died. There are few conclusions to draw from that.

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