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 Post subject: Idaho cop shot by colleague during gun cleaning
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Idaho cop shot by colleague during gun cleaning
By John Miller
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BOISE, Idaho – A Gooding County Sheriff's deputy shot accidentally by another deputy at his home is back at work after four weeks recuperation.

Deputy Jeremy Smith, who returned to work Monday, was shot in the hand Aug. 31 by a .22 caliber Ruger Mark IV handgun at the Hagerman home of Sgt. Dave Kiger, the agency's armorer. Kiger was cleaning the weapon when it apparently misfired. The incident in this southern Idaho county of about 14,200 residents didn't become public until this week, in part because no formal law enforcement report was filed and no other Idaho agency was called to assist the investigation.

"The firearm was excessively dirty, causing the extractor, the part that grabs the chambered round and removes it from the gun, to malfunction and not remove the round," Gough said Tuesday. "What we did find was some procedural errors on the part of both deputies by not visually checking the chamber to make sure that the gun was unloaded."

Some how, I can't blame this one on the gun at all. I guess he forgot to "Physically" and "Visually" to check the firearm..... [smilie=icon_rolleyes.gif] I see this one as plain stupidity... I guess he forgot the firearms safety rules!
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 Post subject: Re: Idaho cop shot by colleague during gun cleaning
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My old man is from Hagerman Idaho! I think this is the first time I've EVER heard that town make the news!!!

At least the lesson was learned by a wound to the hand - could have been much, MUCH worse.

Good reminder to visually and physically check the chamber!

Wonder if the Gooding Cty Sheriffs Dep't is looking for a new armorer?

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Let's see, the gun misfired because it was dirty, well that's definitely the guns fault for not keeping clean. But if I read this right one was shot by the other but yet no formal paperwork was involved.

When was the last time anyone shot by another got away with no paperwork, no investigation and the dept kept it quite for a month, probably more than we could imagine.

Only in a cop shop and they wonder why they get no respect!


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Let's see, the gun misfired because it was dirty, well that's definitely the guns fault for not keeping clean. But if I read this right one was shot by the other but yet no formal paperwork was involved.

When was the last time anyone shot by another got away with no paperwork, no investigation and the dept kept it quite for a month, probably more than we could imagine.

Only in a cop shop and they wonder why they get no respect!



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the guy that had the "misfire" was the unit armorer. no formal law enforcement report was filed. there's no mention of disciplinary action. the armorer allowed the firearm to be "excessively dirty" enough to malfunction.

boy, that'd give me a warm and fuzzy about my department. i wonder if one of us lowly civilians were the one that pulled the trigger, if we'd be sitting in jail for it.

p.s. the reporter could use help with the definition of "misfire" as well


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Geez Hansen, why are you always hating on cops?

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This might have been a case of a cop who had possession of a gun, which was not functioning properly, so he took it it his armorer to see what he could do with it...
They already stated that the extractor was malfuntioning, so the round was probably still in the chamber.
Poor muzzle control for sure, and an obvious failure to check the chamber but with two guys (cops = gun pros, right?)fiddling with a supposedly broken gun, anything is possible... [smilie=icon_eek.gif]
An besides, it was only a .22... ;) (sarcasm...)

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 Post subject: Re: Idaho cop shot by colleague during gun cleaning
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It's amazing how much attempted blame is placed on the gun!

I also find it interesting that the AD was not reported. While I can't say for certain, I highly doubt that an identical incident involving civilians would have been treated the same way.


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The gun fired, not misfired as reported by the press. The idiot holding the weapon pulled the trigger.

mis·fire (ms-fr)
intr.v. mis·fired, mis·fir·ing, mis·fires
1. To fail to discharge. Used of a firearm.

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 Post subject: Re: Idaho cop shot by colleague during gun cleaning
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Misfired? Heh, I'd say it fired pretty darn good. 'Ol boy has a hole in is hand to prove it.

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the guy that had the "misfire" was the unit armorer. no formal law enforcement report was filed. there's no mention of disciplinary action. the armorer allowed the firearm to be "excessively dirty" enough to malfunction.

boy, that'd give me a warm and fuzzy about my department. i wonder if one of us lowly civilians were the one that pulled the trigger, if we'd be sitting in jail for it.


You know, I agree. Now which cop do I get to shoot? [smilie=icon_twisted.gif]


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 Post subject: Re: Idaho cop shot by colleague during gun cleaning
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One note of concern,If one is "shot" with a fire arm and seeks medical help at a licensed facility,I.E. a hospital!, then the hospital is required by LAW to report the gunshot to local law enforcement. This is the case in all 50 states as far as i can tell.

One must wonder how in the hell this conspiracy could go all the way through the recovery and return to work stage without anyone knowing about it!

Seems to me that a docotor or two have some 'slainin to do.

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Geez Hansen, why are you always hating on cops?

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I am not a hater! :D I just don't like people that can not follow the rules! ;)

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Phanatic wrote:
I also find it interesting that the AD was not reported.


Speaking as an investigator, this was a clear case of a Negligent Discharge (ND) not an Accidental Discharge (AD). :D

The shooter did verify the firearm was empty, so he should have treated it as if it were loaded. He did not keep the muzzle from covering what he was not willing to destroy. He also should have kept his finger of the trigger! If he dry fired what he thought was an unloaded firearm, he should have known was his target was! If he would have followed any or all of these simple rules, he would not have shot his buddy! Clear case of NEGLIGENCE!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Idaho cop shot by colleague during gun cleaning
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So John, what is your opinion on how the Gooding County Sheriff's Dept handled the situation?


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