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I just called and verified with Tango Down my Vertical Foregrip is manufactured in Tucson, Arizona of all places. I am debating on whether or not to install it on my AR-15 pistol. The BATF says this makes it an AOW and requires a federal tax stamp. Please see new law below and let me know what you think.

13-3114. Arizona manufactured firearms; regulation; definitions

A. Beginning October 1, 2010, a personal firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in this state and that remains within the borders of this state is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of Congress to regulate interstate commerce and is not considered to have traveled in interstate commerce.

B. See full law online.
C. See full law online
D. See full law online.
F. For the purposes of this section:
1. "Firearm accessory" means an item that is used in conjunction with or mounted on a firearm but that is not essential to the basic function of a firearm, including telescopic or laser sights, magazines, flash suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks and grips, speedloaders, ammunition carriers and lights for target illumination.

2. "Generic or insignificant part" includes springs, screws, nuts and pins.

3. "Manufactured" means that a firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition has been created from basic materials for functional usefulness, including forging, casting, machining or other processes for working materials.

Fed trumps state.

While DPS won't be able to bust you for it, BATFE would still be able to.

They'll prolly just shoot you so there is no case.

There is absolutely no truth to this statement. Please go check out the Tenth Ammendment of the US Constitution.

In fact, the Sheriff is the highest ranking law enforcement officer and even has the power to kick the BATF out of his county.

Very true... The problem becomes the politics... Like the old 55mph speed limit... illegal as hell but the Fed threatened to hold back money that they took out of the state....

I would not want to be the test case unless I already had HUGE backing....

Sure, why not

Since the AR wasn't made in the state, or you haven't specified that it was, I don't see how just having the grip made here would make a difference.

Read the law again. The firearm accessory is listed in an "or" sentence, not "and", so the VFG would not be subject to federal law or regulation. If only the firearm being manufactured here mattered, why even list firearm accessory at all? It doesn't matter whether or not the firearm was manufactured here or not. The firearm accessory, even specifically referred to "grip" in the law, is not under federal regulation.

I am new to AR's and want to build one soon.

WTF? am I reading this correctly, accessories such as grips/vertical foregrips, installing a laser or flashlight is against federal law?

The AR is what is registered under the NFA not the VFG. Current law doesn't regulate the VFG its regulating the "Pistol" which by the addition of a VFG would make it an AOW which would need to be registered on either a Form1 or Form4. if you really want to challenge it, get one of those 95% receivers that ASA just got approved on, finish the manufacturing of the lower yourself, have it engraved 'Made in Arizona" like the law says and throw a short barreled upper on it, that would stand a better chance than just slapping a VFG on a pistol.

Installing a Front grip on to an AR15 'Pistol" turns said "Piston" in to an AOW which is regulated by the NFA.
Putting any accessories on to an AR15 Rifle or SBR is not illegal.

I wasn't saying anything about the legality of the situation... just stating my opinion on how it's going to go down if the BATF wants to screw with the guy. What the Sheriff COULD do, and what he WOULD do are two very different things, I imagine... and won't make any conclusion on the Sheriff's reaction to the BATF coming down on him for adding a VFG to a pistol and not registering it as an AOW.

I see the logic in what you are saying but why even include "firearm accessory" as part of the law? I have an Arizona Armory lower made here in Phoenix. Are you saying I could purchase a POF SBR upper, also made in Phoenix, and be in compliance with the law? What about the rifle length requirements in 13-3101?

I am going to step in before any more of this type of horseshit gets spilled out of people's fingers and onto this website. Since it is OP I am not going to lock the thread.

1) There is a lot of truth in "Fed trumps state"
2) The sheriff of a county cannot kick the BATFE out of his county. One wacky judge's comments do not make a new principle over the clear terms of the constitution.

The United States Constitution and Federal laws are absolutely supreme. If you think the 10th amendment contradicts that you are simply not familiar with the constitution.

Article 6 Clause 2 states:


More importantly the Supreme Court has extensively ruled what the 10th amendment means. The prevailing law is that the 10th amendment is a truism that have no affirmative enforcement value. It simply repeats the fact that the federal government can only act on delegated powers. Read United States v. Darby and Printz v. United States. I have no problem with people wanting to be a test case if they have full knowledge of what is going to happen. 1) they will be prosecuted. 2) they will go to prison. 3) EVEN IF they win on appeal they will be in prison for years because the Supreme Court is the only body that will overturn their conviction on constitutional grounds, due to the nature of the settled law.


Why do I care? This type of misinformation will land some poor moron in prison.
People considering doing this: the Arizona law does absolutely nothing for you. IT IS COMPLETELY VOID. If they prosecute you will go to prison and there is a 99% chance or better that you will stay there. I don't really care what you think the 10th amendment means. The courts have decided it means nothing and that is what they are going to hold you to.

No really, you'd probably still be thrown in Federal (Pound me in the ass) Prison. but if you've got the time off work and the money for all the legal fees, go ahead.