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 Post subject: 95% AR 15 Lower Receiver, ATF Approved!!! Shipping Now!
New postPosted: 07 Jun 2011, 10:18 
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American Spirit Arms is very proud to announce the release of our 95% Complete AR 15 Lower Receiver.
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These Lowers are Machined with the following:
* Magazine Well cut using an EDM Wire Cutter
*Front Pivot Pin Holes
*Rear Take-Down Pin Hole
*Threaded Receiver Extension
*Front Pivot Detent Hole
*Rear Take-Down Detent Hole
*Buffer Detent Hole
*Fully-Machined Bolt Catch
*Fully-Machined Magazine Release
*Trigger Guard Holes
*Upper Receiver Rear Lug Pocket
*NO FFL NEEDED FOR PURCHASE. This item can be shipped directly to your house

Per our extensive interaction withe the ATF these are 100% Legal to sell to without the need of a FFL Transfer.
We are making it easier than ever for the end user to manufacturer their own firearm.

Should you have any questions about our 95% Lower Receiver, please feel free to email or call us directly.
Dan
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480.367.9540
daniel@americanspiritarms.com
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Surprise surprise..... I have questions [smilie=icon_lol.gif]
How does the whole no serial number thing work?
If you make the firearm, as an individual citizen, you don't need to serial number your firearm - correct?
Can it ever be sold in the future without serial numbers?
How do police treat these non serial numbered firearms during stops, etc.?
Can they ever be registered as a SBR?
What is the cost of your 95% lower?
Are you required to keep transaction records for these lowers?

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Forgive me if I missed it, but how much?



THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT A PRICE!!!

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 Post subject: Re: 95% AR 15 Lower Receiver, ATF Approved!!! Shipping Now!
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Found one on Gun Broker being sold by ASA. Staring bid $125!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =227951360

No finish, still needs machining, these should be Cheaper than this.

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baja wrote:
Found one on Gun Broker being sold by ASA. Staring bid $125!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =227951360

No finish, still needs machining, these should be Cheaper than this.



The market is prohibited possessors. They will pay the price gladly.

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baja wrote:
Found one on Gun Broker being sold by ASA. Staring bid $125!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =227951360

No finish, still needs machining, these should be Cheaper than this.



The market is prohibited possessors. They will pay the price gladly.


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 Post subject: Re: 95% AR 15 Lower Receiver, ATF Approved!!! Shipping Now!
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Thanks for the responses.
The retail cost on the 95% Lower Receivers is $129.00.

atfsux wrote:
baja wrote:
Found one on Gun Broker being sold by ASA. Staring bid $125!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =227951360

No finish, still needs machining, these should be Cheaper than this.



The market is prohibited possessors. They will pay the price gladly.

As far as the above comment is concerned, the market we are after is not "prohibited possessors" aka Bad Guys, but instead Law Abiding Citizens that want to manufacturer their own lower receiver but don't have access to the necessary machinery needed.

While the information in the below link is a little dated, I have found it helpful as far as the legality and procedures involved for completing an 80%/95% Lower Receiver:
http://www.acmearms.com/80percentfaq.php
I do have a phone call into the Local ATF Office in an attempt to gain more current information and will keep you updated.

I will keep everyone informed.
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 Post subject: Re: 95% AR 15 Lower Receiver, ATF Approved!!! Shipping Now!
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I'm not trying to bad-talk anyone here. ASA is perfectly within their rights to sell any product they choose for whatever price they wish to seek.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing (constitutionally) as a prohibited possessor. The category is a legal fiction. Unless, in custody, anyone has a right to own anything.

But let's not kid ourselves. Very, very, very few home builders would pay $125 for a lower receiver that is incomplete when they can get a complete one for under $75.

ASA is doing nothing wrong, unethical or under-handed.

But anyone who doesn't know the majority of these are bought by and for prohibited persons is lying to themselves.

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Not that bad of a price. I've machined my own lowers from raw forgings, and I can tell you that ALL the hard work is already done on these. Try picking up a 1 3/16-16 tap for just a couple lowers...not cheap. The mag well is even EDM'd vs. machined. All you gotta do is mill out the FCG pocket and drill a few holes...

For those who didn't know, the blueprints needed for the hole locations / dimensions are all over the web, and if you're still scared, you can buy a drilling jig from:
http://www.cncguns.com/tooling.html

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I'm not trying to bad-talk anyone here. ASA is perfectly within their rights to sell any product they choose for whatever price they wish to seek.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing (constitutionally) as a prohibited possessor. The category is a legal fiction. Unless, in custody, anyone has a right to own anything.

But let's not kid ourselves. Very, very, very few home builders would pay $125 for a lower receiver that is incomplete when they can get a complete one for under $75.

ASA is doing nothing wrong, unethical or under-handed.

But anyone who doesn't know the majority of these are bought by and for prohibited persons is lying to themselves.

While I agree with you that the price of $100+ is high for an incomplete lower - I disagree that the majority of these are purchased by or for prohibited possessors. You act like its difficult for a prohibited possessor to obtain a complete firearm. I believe the majority of the purchasers are those who want a little project with pride of doing it themselves and/or to have a new product off big brothers radar. I'm sure we can all agree theres nothing wrong with being off the radar or having a few firearms that are untraceable. Doesn't mean you are a prohibited possessor, have done anything wrong or plan to do anything wrong. It takes some knowledge, effort and money to complete one of these lowers - why would a prohibited possessor mess with these when they can pick up a complete firearm for less money and effort through a private purchase?

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Ever quote an EDM job for something like a .223 magwell? Ever compared an EDM cut feature to one that is either broached, cast, coined, or machined?

$129 isn't a steal, but it's not out of line for a top-quality part which has within it's development cost a ton of 'NRE' with regard to securing ATF approval. Combine that with a relatively low-volume market, and you just cannot sell it for under $100.

Bravo to ASA for fulfilling a niche that has been left relatively open, and for doing so in a manner that should preclude them from future 'issues' with the BATFE (like some other companies offering partially machined parts have run into).

I look forward to the day we have 'build a bear' type shops on the corner where you can buy your 95% lower and go home with a quality product all-set and ready to assemble ;)


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atfsux wrote:
I'm not trying to bad-talk anyone here. ASA is perfectly within their rights to sell any product they choose for whatever price they wish to seek.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing (constitutionally) as a prohibited possessor. The category is a legal fiction. Unless, in custody, anyone has a right to own anything.

But let's not kid ourselves. Very, very, very few home builders would pay $125 for a lower receiver that is incomplete when they can get a complete one for under $75.

ASA is doing nothing wrong, unethical or under-handed.

But anyone who doesn't know the majority of these are bought by and for prohibited persons is lying to themselves.

While I agree with you that the price of $100+ is high for an incomplete lower - I disagree that the majority of these are purchased by or for prohibited possessors. You act like its difficult for a prohibited possessor to obtain a complete firearm. I believe the majority of the purchasers are those who want a little project with pride of doing it themselves and/or to have a new product off big brothers radar. I'm sure we can all agree theres nothing wrong with being off the radar or having a few firearms that are untraceable. Doesn't mean you are a prohibited possessor, have done anything wrong or plan to do anything wrong. It takes some knowledge, effort and money to complete one of these lowers - why would a prohibited possessor mess with these when they can pick up a complete firearm for less money and effort through a private purchase?



For most prohibited possessors it is no problem, true. But not all. Not every felon or mental defective has someone they can trust to assist them in acquisition or has quality fake ID.

Again, I want to emphasize that there is nothing wrong with any of this. There isn't a single ex-con I know who isn't armed, and that's fine with me. Yes, I know people who have bought products such as this specifically because they are PPs, and they wanted to be off the radar. I know plenty of people of perfectly legal status who have bought these types of unfinished receivers as well. I know what the ratio in my observation has been. If everyone thinks I'm talking out of my ass, that's fine. I wouldn't want anyone to think this sort of product needs to be removed from the market, because it should not. I just refuse to pretend something isn't what it is.

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